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Post by lance » May 21st 2003, 2:43 pm

mglenn wrote:
lance wrote:Instead of just one slayer for each generation, now there may be hundreds if not thousands.
Ya now you have a bunch of super strength, ultra athletic chicks that will establish a new world order and keep us men around as pets and for breeding... hey wait maybe this ain't so bad after all!!! :hug:
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Post by Natasha (candygirl) » May 21st 2003, 3:33 pm

I am still processing the finale, but I LOVED the drawing of Angel that Spike taped to the punching bag!

:lol:
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Post by lance » May 22nd 2003, 9:03 am

candygirl wrote:I am still processing the finale, but I LOVED the drawing of Angel that Spike taped to the punching bag!

:lol:
Did you love the Angel pout scene? :

"Man used to be having a soul was cool, now everybody's got one.
Damn Captain Peroxide..."

LOL!

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Post by Natasha (candygirl) » May 22nd 2003, 1:45 pm

Another article about Buffy: this one is about the show as well as academic interest in the show - very interesting!
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Post by Natasha (candygirl) » May 22nd 2003, 5:38 pm

candygirl wrote:It's looking more and more like the leaked script is the real deal - some of the snippets from the preview for the finale were the same.

:cry:

Has anyone else looked at the outrageous prices at the buffy auction? Wow.

Sadly, no "Kiss the Librarian" mug, but Buffy's teddy bear is already up to $600 with five days left.
I can't believe that someone has $8000 to bid on Spike's New York outfit. I'm speechless.

And I'm wavering between amused and disgusted that this picture has Spike's pants unzipped - everyone else's pants are zipped up so is this supposed to be a subliminal message?!

:LOL:
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Post by Guest » May 22nd 2003, 6:30 pm

candygirl wrote:
candygirl wrote:It's looking more and more like

I can't believe that someone has $8000 to bid on Spike's New York outfit. I'm speechless.

And I'm wavering between amused and disgusted that this picture has Spike's pants unzipped - everyone else's pants are zipped up so is this supposed to be a subliminal message?!

:LOL:
alot of the bidders are entertainment shows....eonline bid and got the sunnydale pompoms and sunnydale higher razorback pennant and gave it away in a contest at the site.

i was pretty happy with the finale....i love rivalry between angel and spike ...looking forward to how that plays out next yr on angel.

i'm also curious how spike is going to come back without it being cliche, so many ppl have risen from the dead (angel, buffy, darla).

harmony will be GREAT! i miss the old cordy's funny remarks.

also, anyone notice buffy coming full circle in chosen? having buffy, xander, and willow walk away from giles chattering about something inane as giles said "the world is definitely doomed" was a ref to the first 2 eps of buffy. after stopping the harvest giles said the same thing.

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Post by Natasha (candygirl) » May 22nd 2003, 7:02 pm

There were lots of references to the Jossverse in the finale - Buffy touching the flame, Spike dreaming of footwear, Angel calling Spike "Captain Peroxide," the Sunnydale sign falling over, heck even the title. That is the magic of Joss.

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Post by lance » May 24th 2003, 9:51 am

candygirl wrote:There were lots of references to the Jossverse in the finale - Buffy touching the flame, Spike dreaming of footwear, Angel calling Spike "Captain Peroxide," the Sunnydale sign falling over, heck even the title. That is the magic of Joss.

:D
Serveral people mentioned the scene that was an homage to the second episode of Buffy. The scooby gang discusses going shopping after the big bad is defeated and Giles saying the world is doomed.

:D

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Post by Natasha (candygirl) » May 24th 2003, 9:51 pm

Many BtVS fans have noted Joss's reference to Buffy preventing the Master from rising in the first season ("The Earth is doomed!") in the finale ("The earth is definitely doomed!").

:cry:

Counting the days until the S4 DVD release - even weirder since that is totally not my favorite season!
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Post by lance » May 28th 2003, 9:47 am

Here is a link to a story about classes that teach about Buffy.

http://discover.npr.org/rundowns/rundow ... ay/13/2003

Go toward the bottom of the page and look for "Buffie Studies".

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news on the end of buffy and next yr on angel

Post by Guest » May 28th 2003, 7:39 pm

2 part interview with joss:

http://www.tvguide.com/newsgossip/insider/030523b.asp

Buffy Postmortem: Is Spike Dead?

by Michael Ausiello


Spoiler Alert! Cliffhanger Mysteries Resolved!

Buffy Postmortem: Is Spike Dead?

Candice Bergen's Second Act


As far as series finales go, Buffy the Vampire Slayer's was a doozy. We laughed, we cried, we hurled large objects at the TV in utter despair. But darnit if the show's creator, Joss Whedon, didn't leave us wanting more... closure, that is. For example, why of all the Scoobies did Anya (Emma Caulfield) have to die? And what's the deal with Spike (James Marsters), who bit the dust just days after making a date with Angel this fall? For answers to those questions and more, read on...

TV Guide Online: I have a bone to pick with you: When last we spoke, you claimed that "no decision" had been made about bringing Spike over to Angel next season. Then, days later, the WB announced that, well, Spike would be making his way to Angel next season. Why did you lie to me, man?
Joss Whedon: It wasn't until the last minute that it was actually decided that he was going to be a regular on the show. When I spoke to you, a) it was true that we didn't know his status, and he was about to die on Buffy, so the less about him being on Angel in the press beforehand, the better.

TVGO: Fair enough. But couldn't the WB hold off on announcing it?
Whedon: There was no f---ing way. They were very excited about James. They have a shiny blond thing to show people, and they're gonna do it.

TVGO: So, how do you plan to resurrect Spike?
Whedon: That's a conversation I'm going to be having with the Angel writers very soon.

TVGO: There's always Shanshu (the ancient prophecy introduced during Angel's first season that says once a soulful vampire fulfills his destiny, he becomes human).
Whedon: It's not quite that simple, although a lot of people have been making reference to that. But that's an interpretation, and ultimately could become the interpretation if we decide to go that way. I have some other ideas. The trick is how to bring him back without losing the integrity of what he did... the sacrifice. If it's just, "Hey, I'm back!" then that whole moment at the end of Buffy is kind of lame now. Like Buffy returning from the dead, it's going to be something that we're going to have to earn and play the ramifications of, possibly without making it so depressing.

TVGO: Will you pair him with a new special someone?
Whedon: I'm still trying to figure out how to bring him back to life. I don't think he's the kind of guy that would be like, "Well, that was a fun time with Buffy... " I don't think he feels a sense of resolve or resolution about the relationship. I think he feels that he was ready to sacrifice himself for her, and it was a beautiful thing, but... it wasn't like he's cured of loving Buffy any more than Angel is.

TVGO: Now that Buffy is free to do whatever she likes, how will you explain why she doesn't make a beeline for Angel?
Whedon: Well, I think I did in the episode. She said very specifically she doesn't want to go and find a boyfriend. She wants to go and find herself — spend some time becoming a grown-up and finding out who she is, and then she can stop to find out who fits with that. That was the point of the whole cookie dough speech. Her internal search isn't for a boyfriend, it's for herself. And then if true love fits into that, that would be the best thing ever. But if she instantly went off and attached herself to Angel, she'd be throwing away everything she'd just been given, which is her freedom. It would be the last thing she would do. Well, not the last thing. She wouldn't do it until sweeps.

TVGO: November sweeps?
Whedon: I don't know if necessarily it will be November, but she has stated time and again that she's perfectly willing to come on and make an appearance, assuming schedules work out. Nothing's definite, but it's as sure a shot as one could hope for.

TVGO: Why was Anya marked for death?
Whedon: I wanted to kill somebody, and I wanted to do it brutally and suddenly and never really pay it off. I wanted a death that was a real middle-of-the-battle death — the opposite of the Spike death, [which was] perfect, noble. And Emma had made it clear that she really was not interested in coming back. I think things with Fox weren't great and she felt ill-used — not by the show. She had a good time making the show, I think. But she was ready to move on. But it was tough [killing her off]. The last shot before we wrapped her was that shot where she gets sliced. And it's very weird to play your death and go, "Okay, I'm done."

TVGO: No one seemed to be too broken up about it.
Whedon: I had a lot to wrap up, so I let Xander (Nicholas Brendon) have a moment of closure about her, just enough to get him to the point where he could rejoin the group for a moment of, well, "We won." You have to get yourself to a good place if you want the show to go out on an uplifting moment, which I did. So I used shorthand.

TVGO: Had you known that Eliza Dushku was going to pass on the spinoff, would you have killed off Faith?
Whedon: No, I doubt it. There's a certain element where the loss becomes unacceptable for a happy ending, and the idea that she's been the primary Slayer behind Buffy, it felt like she should be in that mix.

TVGO: Given Eliza's decision, do you regret not making Dawn (Michelle Trachtenberg) a Slayer?
Whedon: No, I don't think Dawn was meant to be a Slayer — both mythologically and emotionally. Dawn plays a different part than that. I don't think we necessarily got to explore all the aspects of Dawn's character that I would have liked to have, because she kind of got swept up in the larger story. But being a Slayer was never one of them. That's not to say you couldn't build a spinoff around Michelle — she's an interesting actress, and the same goes for a lot of the players. But I wouldn't just necessarily take someone and make them a Slayer. I don't think that would really fly.

TVGO: Today is the first day of life after Buffy. How are you holding up?
Whedon: I'm doing just fine, because it's like Day 13 of trying to get my 5-month-old to sleep, so I just go from one problem to the next. (Pauses) Your sense of closure never comes when you think it's going to. It'll happen two weeks from Monday. I'll suddenly go, "Good Lord. My entire life has changed."

On Tuesday, Whedon answers the question on the minds of Angel fans everywhere. Has Charisma Carpenter (Cordelia) been fired?

____________________________

Angel Mystery: Will Cordy Wake Up?
by Michael Ausiello

Now that Angelus and Co. have assumed control of Wolfram & Hart on Angel, we suggest they use their new seat of power to solve the show's biggest mystery: What the heck happened to Charisma Carpenter and her alter ego Cordelia? Carpenter — a former Buffy cast member who, like David Boreanaz, has been with the show since its inception — went off to have a baby last season and hasn't been heard from since. (Cordy remains in a coma on the show.) Making matters more murky, a new Angel cast list makes no mention of the actress. The WB and 20th Century Fox have been cagey about the omission, and numerous attempts to make contact with Carpenter's agent have proven unsuccessful. So, what's a journalist to do? Go straight to the big boss himself, Joss Whedon.

TV Guide Online: Why was Charisma's name removed from next season's cast list?

Joss Whedon: Mainly because we felt like we had taken that story — just like Buffy for seven years — about as far as it could go. The Angel/Cordelia [love story] had gone pretty much as far as we wanted to take it. Their romance was definitely not a popular move on our part, and I think with most fans. It just seemed like it was time because we were revamping the show, and then paring it down... it just seemed like a good time for certain people to move on. Not completely, obviously. I'm hoping that we'll get Charisma to do some episodes as Cordelia sometime during the year. She's a new mother, so, like Sarah [Michelle Gellar], I'm waiting to hear what her schedule is like. But it just seemed creatively like... I once said that I finally got to tell the story of Buffy that I tried to tell in the movie, and I did it with Cordelia. Which was the story of someone who was completely ditzy and self-involved becoming kind of heroic. But the way the series was different from the movie was that I didn't know where you go from there. So, I felt like we spent seven years playing that very arc, and it had played. Like Buffy itself, it's time to look at something new.

TVGO: Isn't that a disservice to fans who invested all those years in the character and her redemption? It seems an odd thing to do to the show's leading lady.

Whedon: That's a fluctuating concept, the leading lady thing. And it is a little odd. Some choices are ultimately kind of controversial about who stays and who goes and who we focus on. But obviously, we had to have her out of a bunch of episodes toward the end of the year because she was having a baby... so what we had [leading] up to it wasn't a dynamic I wanted to play out that much. The fact is, this is not the end — unless Charisma herself says, "You know what? I don't feel like doing any recurring episodes." But when you have an increasingly large ensemble week-by-week, and you come in in your [fifth] year kind of having to revamp the show and trim the budget and also think creatively, "How am I going to service all of these people?," sometimes the people who have been around the longest, you've done the most with them.

TVGO: Some are speculating that she was a casualty of James Marsters's cross over as Spike next season. Like, there wasn't enough money in the budget to pay for them both, so she got the boot.

Whedon: That's a hell of a thing to lay on James. It was a creative decision that we made before Spike came over to the show, and like I said, I don't intend to leave Cordelia in a coma for the rest of the Buffyverse. But the creative decision to have the character step down happened long before negotiations with James [started]. It should not be laid at his feet.

TVGO: Were things left on good terms with Charisma?

Whedon: Yeah, but that's also stuff between us and not stuff that I would talk about in an interview.

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Post by hurtstolookatyou » May 28th 2003, 7:42 pm

aahh...that last one was me, i hate it when i get logged out.

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Post by Natasha (candygirl) » May 28th 2003, 8:12 pm

FYI - the second part of the interview is posted in the Angel thread.
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Post by lance » May 29th 2003, 8:42 am

hurtstolookatyou,

Thanks for posting the article. I am definately looking forward to Angel this year.

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Post by Natasha (candygirl) » May 29th 2003, 12:49 pm

Wonder Buffy?
OK, confession time ... while I never went to a comic convention and I don't consider myself to be a total geek, there are a few superheroes that I'm a major freak over. Back in prehistoric days when TVs didn't have remote controls, the Bionic Woman (played by Lindsay Wagner) was a cool female crime fighter, but my favorite had to be Wonder Woman, played by the mah-velous Lynda Carter.

What recently threw me for a loop was finding out how many actresses are vying to play the lead when they take Wonder Woman to the big screen. Of course, the above-mentioned Jennifer Lopez is a possible contender for filling her red thigh-high boots, as is America's sweetheart Sandra Bullock. But Sarah Michelle Gellar? Yep, the U.K.'s Daily Record reports that the one-time vampire slayer is trying to squeeze into those skimpy hotpants. Apparently, with the long-running "Buffy" TV series now finished, 26-year-old Sarah is anxious to establish herself as a bona fide big-screen action star.

One woman who is definitely not in the running is singer Jessica Simpson. But she is managing to keep tight-lipped about playing the lead in the next big movie based on a popular Marvel Comics series. "I don't know if your everyday person would know it," she recently told reporters, "but I can tell you this -- it's not Wonder Woman."
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