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- My So-Called Life (Pi... - #1 »
- Dancing in the Dark - #2 »
- Guns and Gossip - #3 »
- Father Figures - #4 »
- The Zit - #5 »
- The Substitute - #6 »
- Why Jordan Can't Read - #7 »
- Strangers in the Hous... - #8 »
- Halloween - #9 »
- Other People's Daught... - #10 »
- Life of Brian - #11 »
- Self-Esteem - #12 »
- Pressure - #13 »
- On the Wagon - #14 »
- So-Called Angels - #15 »
- Resolutions - #16 »
- Betrayal - #17 »
- Weekend - #18 »
- In Dreams Begin Respo... - #19 »
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Could Brian and Angela ever hit it off as a couple?brian and angela? why not!i don´t think, brian is only very intellectual and has no emotional deepness. i just watched the halloween-ep (for the first time to make everybody jealous!
![]() and what about the letter he wrote for jordan? nobody who hasn´t deep emotions could write a touching letter, he knows the right words, because he knows the way it feels. so, i guess they could have been a great couple. a lot of arguing, but on a really good basis. a lot of meaning between them, that could make it hard sometimes, but they would recognize that it´s worth it. A few people have said that they don't think Angela could ever think of Brian romantically because they've known each other too long or have been through too much together. I don't buy that. If that was enough of a reason then Brian wouldn't be able to think of her romantically either. Knowing someone well doesn't, in and of itself, mean that you can't be interested in them sexually/romantically. Possibly what she knows about him could be enough to squash any chance of Angela becoming interested in Brian.
Re: Angela and Brian--it's up to himthat is a very good point, this reminded how in #ep 2, she reffers to him as reassuring and annoying at the same time, so first he'll reassure her, and then annoy her. or the other way around? ![]() So understand
Don't waste your time always searching for those wasted years, Face up...make your stand, And realise you're living in the golden years. For Brians sake it would be nice for them to grow a relationship but knowing each other from younge makes you feel more friends than relationship material. If she ever were to go out with Brian, Danielle would be very cold and anal to her. Brian seems great but also is much to shy to ever (or at least during hs) bring up the courage to ask Angela out IMHO. Jordan in the last episode seems to be making an effort to start a relationship with Angela! They (Angel and Jordan) also look very good together.
I'm addicted to My So-called Life!
i'm not sure if i'm alone in thinking this, but i actually never saw there as being an angela-jordan-brian triangle. i never interpreted those final moments of the last episode as angela being blown away at brian's revelation and re-evaluating her feelings for him. i always saw it more as just surprise. angela's a humble girl and i would think she'd be shocked at anyone having a crush on her, let alone KRAKOW, who she sometimes thought just got his kicks out of tormenting her, and who she now probably feels all guilty for tormenting all those times as well. i know if i were in her position i'd probably just be flashing back to all those times he was a jerk and thinking (affectionately of course) "wait, so the whole time...? you dork."
![]() and i'm sure this has been said before, but jordan totally gets a bad rep. ![]() I bet you can actually die of embarrassment. I bet it's been medically proven.
I agree with you here that we see Jordan growing into 'boyfriend material'. I too think Angela and Jordan are a much better couple.
A lot of the fan fiction has Angela and Jordan breaking up and then meeting up years later with all the passion still there but with life experience and maturity to make them realise how much they mean to each other - I think this is realistic. Obviously Angela is not going to marry the guy she dated at 15 but the chemistry and the connection between the two would be too powerful to ignore if they met up again 'IMHO'. Don't be so sure that Angela and Jordan don't get married. I've known a number of couples who dated all through high school and got married. Often they separated for college and had other relationships, but after college met up again and as they say, "it was on."
![]() Brian is not emotionally mature enough to handle a real relationship at this point and definitely not with Angela. She is light years ahead of him, just from the few months of dealing with Jordan. She was already way ahead of him before Jordan came along. Brian is an observer, he need to have some experiences of his own before he can have a relationship. He needs to have some emotional experiences. A fling, perhaps. Something to connect theory to actual events. I'm not a fan of the Brian gets Angela in the end theory. It's too neat and completely unrealistic. I'm not saying that Jordan is Mr. Maturity, but he has a certain amount of life experience that he can draw from in dealing with relationships. His issue has been allowing himself to open up to that degree. Brian simply does not have the capacity at this point to deal with the complexities of a relationship. "I call her Red..."
Again, well put. I really agree with your point that we really don't know who Jordan is (or is becoming). I don't really see a big change happening for him in high school, but I think he'll grow up to be a really level headed adult who is well equipped to interact wiht the world -- he just seems to be able to cut through the BS and see things for what they are (most of the time). I also liked what you said about the Brian ending being too perfect (at least if it happend their sophomore year).
Sometimes I write a little MSCL fanfiction: https://www.fanfiction.net/u/1039807/Jody-Barsch
Also, after multiple V. Mars reiterations, and finally a Deadwood movie, still wishing for some continuation of The Riches ! My brief analysis:
At the end of episode 19, Jordan is not mature enough for Angela for things to really work out. At the same time, Brian (while not a man in boy's shoes) needs Angela to mature a bit before anything could work out between the two of them. That's the two sentence version. There's a longer one I could cook up if anyone wanted to hear it.
Re: Could Brian and Angela ever hit it off as a couple?
I know this message is old... But, yeah, I want to hear it. Here's my take on Brian and Angela: Brian's affections are reassuring to her, but I don't think Angela would be the best lover for him. I'm not saying saying that it couldn't happen. In fact, I think she would try it out to see if the two fit together but ultimately pick someone else. Angela is too young to know what type of person she would be compatible with because she's just figuring her adult self out. Brian is blind, in a way, because he's been infatuated with her for so long that he doesn't really know if the two are truly compatible. I'm talking from personal experience. After five years of friendship, I had a brief relationship with my closest male friend, and all of a sudden, I realized that he wasn't the person I thought he was and vice versa. Adding romance to a friendship changes people in unexpected ways. Brian has this image of how great he and Angela would be together, but the pressures of "sexy love" might temporarily ruin his delicate friendship. He might realize after it's too late that the friendship was enough. Take a look at her parents. Graham and Patty have been together for a long time and would possibly have split up in a second season. Jordan is Angela's introductory relationship to adulthood. He is the necessary catalyst for change that will prepare her for knowing how to love and be loved. Angela and Brian could start something in college, but I don't see anything happening during high school. A few relationships down the line, I think Brian would find love with another woman. Re: Could Brian and Angela ever hit it off as a couple?This is a very difficult question and one that I think all MSCL fans want answered. This question is one of the reasons why I love the show so much. I watch the interactions between the two and some of the best moments of MSCL have been between Brian and Angela. The scene at the end of the 'pilot', the scene from the end of 'Strangers in the House', the scene at the end of 'Why Jordan Can't Read' and of course the end scene of 'In Dreams come Responsibilities'.
Is Brian boyfriend material for Angela then I would have to say that he needs to become more confident in dealing with girls. If he had gone out with Delia Fischer may be this could have helped him but I still think there is a connection between Angela and Brian. The end scene of epidsode 19 was probably the best and most frustrating scene of the series. I don't think Angela was just surprised, you can tell in her facial expression that she sees a different person in front of her and all of Brian's actions towards her are becoming clear. In the 'Life of Brian' she got involved when she knew he was going to the date with someone else. The way she looks at Brian in the end of 'Strangers in the House' and what she says to him leads me to think that somewhere deep down she may harbour something for him. When Brian asks Angela why Sharon needed him in particular she replies that is is due to the certain ways that Brian is... Angela sees more of the man in Jordan and more of a grown up and I think that is what attracts her to him because many boys of Brian's age are still very immature. Angela and Brian could be seen as brother and sister also. Some of the arguments they have are quite powerful but sill in the next scene they are ok again. Why is that? In episode 3 Brian spreads a really horrible rumour about Angela and although he defends Ricky and earns back Angela's respect would many girls forgive for spreading this rumour? In episode 7 when Brian comes to give Danielle a saxophone and Angela is getting ready to introduce Jordan to her parents, they have such a horrible srgument but still you can see the passion and tension between them in this scene. At the end of this episode they are back to being friends but she points to Brian still being a little boy due to him not knowing what being in love is like. I know Brian constantly focused on the Chase house,lol! Why didn't he go over and apologise on that night. He must have known Jordan never came? He could have scored some points with Angela that night, especially as she was so upset? I think that could e a separate topic itself. In conclusion I would say that maybe in a few more years Brian would have been ready to have a relationship with Angela. Had there been a season 2 I think they would have grown closer as Winnie Holzman wrote in the DVD boxset recently that Brian would have been Angela's shoulder to cry on when she was having trouble with Jordan. Maybe in a future episode if Brian got stuck somewhere with Angela as he got stuck with Rayanne in 'Halloween' then maybe they would have been more honest with each other.
Re: Could Brian and Angela ever hit it off as a couple?I've been a Brian Krakow supporter from the start and there's something in the way he just looks at her that makes me think he would be the only man who could ever love her enough.
Re: Could Brian and Angela ever hit it off as a couple?Well, I guess I'll put in my two cents. From the start, I'll tell you I'm a Brian Krakow supporter. I think he truly loves Angela and he's known it for a long time, whether he wanted to admit it to himself or not. As for what would've happened had the show continued? Well....I'm currently working on some episode 20 fanfic so maybe I'll submit that sometime.
As much as I want to see Brian and Angela together, I must admit that in the stage of development that Angela's going through, she's not looking for safety and security, which is what Brian would be able to give her. She's in the stage of her life where she's trying to define who she is and what she stands for. She's looking to be daring and edgy and dating Jordan Catalano would give her those things. It would be exciting. It would be a rollercoaster ride. That's where she's at right now. I can see Angela and Jordan continuing to date through high school, but having some serious trials and tribulations, and eventually it would probably end badly, with Jordan doing something along the lines of "ummmmm-ing" Rayanne, except not with Rayanne. Angela would probably be crushed and stay out of the dating scene until college. If she and Krakow were to meet again in maybe their mid-twenties, I think things have a definite chance to work out. I think they could be quite successful. That being said, there's a pretty poorly done video on Youtube of what it might be like if Angela and Jordan were together 10 years after the events of "In Dreams." It takes clips from "Shopgirl" and some movie Jared Leto was in with Nicholas Cage. It also uses some scenes from MSCL. There's no dialogue, just music, but it's kind of interesting to watch. Especially since Claire had her hair almost red in "Shopgirl." Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbMZXSzsDjo Re: Could Brian and Angela ever hit it off as a couple?Wow, I wrote this so long ago I can't even recall my exact thoughts at the time. I'd try to reconstruct my inner dialogue, but honestly it's been a long day and my brain isn't at 100% right now. I'm glad to see people still talking about it, though. It really is one of the great questions of MSCL. I have to admit I've been totally neglecting both the show and these boards. I miss them both! Who is onlineUsers browsing this forum: No registered users and 11 guests |