MSCL Reading List

KrokRos · Post by **KrokRos** » Mar 10th 2003, 9:11 pm

Is there another thread about this? I couldn't find it but I'm sure I read something about it before.

What books are mentioned in the show?

...Anne Frank, yeah, she got me to read that one.

What else?

The List:
Anne Frank
Metamorphosis by Franz Kafka
Malcolm X
Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
Shakespears' Sonnets
The Change: Women, Aging, and the Menopause - Germaine Greer
As You Like It - William Shakespeare
Cat's Cradle - Kurt Vonnegut
The Odyssey - Homer
Our Town - Thornton Wilder
Cyrano de Bergerac - Edmond
In Dreams Begin Responsibilities - Delmore Schwartz
Charles Dickens (not clear which book - Miss Lerner refers to "Mr. Dickens' world of dark factories, grey skies, lost souls" which could be a Tale of Two Cities, Hard Times, etc)
Pippi Longstocking by Astrid Lindgren
Original title "Pippi Långstrump"
Lord of the Flies by William Golding
Redbook
Batman
The Wizard of Oz by Frank L. Baum

I'll keep adding them up.

So, have you read any of them? Would you like to share your thoughts? Please..

sine · Post by **sine** » Mar 10th 2003, 10:02 pm

KrokRos wrote:What books are mentioned in the show?

...Anne Frank, yeah, she got me to read that one.

What else?

In the pilot there's this big fuss going on about the yearbook... but I don't know if that counts...

OT: KrokRos, I believe we are "timezone neighbours" so if it's late at night here it must be the same case there -- so shouldn't we be sound asleep right now? Well, I tried that sleeping thing but had to give up and decided to log in to the forum and go surf the web instead -- surely beats lying in the bed listening the clock tick, tick, tick..

What's your story? Nightshift?

Anyways, I try to go through the transcripts for the books.

Good night, everybody!

INFO ADDED:

* Shakespeare's Sonnets, of course!
* I saw the episode 18, Weekend, recently and wasn't Patty reading a novel on couch (at Warren's) while waiting for the others return from the town?

Nostradamus · Post by **Nostradamus** » Mar 11th 2003, 1:12 am

Interesting thread. The only one I can think of off the top of my head is "Of Mice And Men" which Mr. Racine wanted to talk with Jordan about.

KrokRos · Post by **KrokRos** » Mar 11th 2003, 5:11 am

sine - I LOVE you're nick! Do you know 'Jenny' (and Jane/Sheena) becomes Sìne in Scots-Gealic (spoken in Scotland)? I am taking a course, right now.

Well, about the time... It was just before I got on to bed. I got caught up in a couple of forums, I've found one for Gilmore Girls as-well and they reply like maniacs. My bf was trying to fix his xbox and didn't wanna get to sleep either. And I guess the time just flew by.
The bad thing about staying awake so late is that I get frustratingly hungry. But otherwise I'd say I do my best thinking after eleven p.m.

So, I read Of Mice and Men in highschool. Parallell to watching the film, in class. It was for English class(Yes, I had to learn English). Come to think of it, both characters in "Of Mice and Men" was played by actors from... no wait. I'm mixing it up. It was John Malkovich. But Gary Sinise is in both OMAM and "The Stand" which I loved. I think this was the first time saw Gary Sinise.

Nevermind. Just wanted to say that I read "Of Mice and Men" and it is a good book. It's a bit akward when you're a twelwe year old but I think I'd appreciate it more now. Maybe I should re-read it.

//Geezes, my spelling. I had to edit this post.

KrokRos · Post by **KrokRos** » Mar 11th 2003, 5:12 am

sine - I meant to say that, that is my name. 'Jenny'.

Post by **mglenn** » Mar 11th 2003, 9:53 am

From the MSCL Bible availible elsewhere on the site:

3. What literary references have been used?

The following works have been referred to, quoted, or featured:
1.1 - The Diary of Anne Frank (Anne Frank)
1.5 - The Metamorphosis (Franz Kafka)
1.6 - Of Mice and Men (John Steinbeck)
1.7 - The Autobiography of Malcolm X (Malcolm X)
1.7 - The Change: Women, Aging, and the Menopause (Germaine Greer)
1.12 - Sonnet 130 (William Shakespeare)
1.12 - As You Like It (William Shakespeare)
1.14 - Cat's Cradle (Kurt Vonnegut)
1.16 - The Odyssey (Homer)
1.17 - Our Town (Thornton Wilder)
1.19 - Cyrano de Bergerac (Edmond \) *indirect allusion*

Sorry I know this is cheating and all!

Megs · Post by **Megs** » Mar 11th 2003, 10:00 am

In Father Figures, when Graham and Patty are in their bedroom and Patty shows Graham a book that she found, and he starts to read it laughing while he tells Patty about the Dead concert, did they ever mention the title of that book? Wasn't it some trashy romance novel?

TomSpeed · Post by **TomSpeed** » Mar 11th 2003, 10:32 am

Our Town is the play in which Rayanne acts.

TomSpeed · Post by **TomSpeed** » Mar 11th 2003, 10:33 am

mglenn wrote:From the MSCL Bible availible elsewhere on the site:

3. What literary references have been used?

The following works have been referred to, quoted, or featured:
1.1 - The Diary of Anne Frank (Anne Frank)
1.5 - The Metamorphosis (Franz Kafka)
1.6 - Of Mice and Men (John Steinbeck)
1.7 - The Autobiography of Malcolm X (Malcolm X)
1.7 - The Change: Women, Aging, and the Menopause (Germaine Greer)
1.12 - Sonnet 130 (William Shakespeare)
1.12 - As You Like It (William Shakespeare)
1.14 - Cat's Cradle (Kurt Vonnegut)
1.16 - The Odyssey (Homer)
1.17 - Our Town (Thornton Wilder)
1.19 - Cyrano de Bergerac (Edmond \) *indirect allusion*

Sorry I know this is cheating and all!

I used to love open book tests. You go mglenn!

TomSpeed · Post by **TomSpeed** » Mar 11th 2003, 10:37 am

Megs wrote:In Father Figures, when Graham and Patty are in their bedroom and Patty shows Graham a book that she found, and he starts to read it laughing while he tells Patty about the Dead concert, did they ever mention the title of that book? Wasn't it some trashy romance novel?

The title isn't mentioned. I thought it might be Peyton Place or The Carpetbaggers. Of course, it could be any good, trashy novel.

likelife · Post by **likelife** » Mar 11th 2003, 3:59 pm

for books having to do with mscl -
i would include the short story "in dreams begin responsibilities" by delmore scharz because it's the NAME of the final episode. the similarities between the story and the ep. are not literal but nonetheless interesting. see the thread about episode names if you want to know more about it.

sine · Post by **sine** » Mar 11th 2003, 8:24 pm

Thanks, mglenn, for the MSCL Bible literary list! Of course that would have been the first place to look for the references

But the list may be missing at least that Weekend episode book, and also wasn't there a book or books in Grahams' arms before the "My breasts have come between us"-dialogue with Angela in the pilot? Could someone with the DVD's check if names of the books or authors are visible, please.

KrokRos wrote:sine - I LOVE you're nick! Do you know 'Jenny' (and Jane/Sheena) becomes Sìne in Scots-Gealic (spoken in Scotland)? I am taking a course, right now.

Hey, that's cool! No, I didn't know that connention between the names (obviously I haven't studied enough Scots-Gealic

) The story behind my nick: I wanted the nick to be an androgynous one, so I chose the name of everyone's favourite(!?) transcendental function, only to later find out that Sine is also very much a female name.

KrokRos wrote:The bad thing about staying awake so late is that I get frustratingly hungry. But otherwise I'd say I do my best thinking after eleven p.m.

Yeah, nighttime can be very stimulating and inspiring for creative work and it's also great time for studying/reading books as there're usually less distracting elements around than during day. Interesting point you got there with getting hungry while staying awake! I tend to drink tea and eat pretty heavily before bed-time, which isn't necessarily wise if a good night's sleep is what I'm after, but it gives nicely fuel to work/read/putter late into the night if necessary.

Post by **Natasha (candygirl)** » Mar 11th 2003, 8:43 pm

Megs wrote:In Father Figures, when Graham and Patty are in their bedroom and Patty shows Graham a book that she found, and he starts to read it laughing while he tells Patty about the Dead concert, did they ever mention the title of that book? Wasn't it some trashy romance novel?

Patty simply refers to it as "a dirty book," which prompts Graham to ask, "What book?" She tosses it to him and warns, "I want that back," and Graham begins reading it (and giggling) while she continues complaining.

KrokRos · Post by **KrokRos** » Mar 12th 2003, 3:43 am

I'm waiting to get TomSpeed's book confirmed. As well as the other not completely confirmed titles and authors.

TomSpeed · Post by **TomSpeed** » Mar 12th 2003, 10:12 am

Hmmm. I was only guessing about the title of the trashy novel. I figure it has to be something old that was racy for its day but would seem tame now. The two books I mentioned came to mind. I figure that it has to be something other than a run-of-the mill romance book because Patty kept it. Also, it might be something Graham has heard of before or maybe read. He seemed to go right to what could be a racy part of the book.

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