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Discussion for Episode 12: Self Esteemi was just going to say that i think this is exactly what was going on here. his reaction to mr katimski started off so extreme that it simply had to be some kind of unconscious freudian defense mechanism. he seemed to hate mr. katimski, and then he let it go when he started to realize what was going on behind the anger, which happened right after mr. katimski poignantly told him that "nobody should... hate who they are." I bet you can actually die of embarrassment. I bet it's been medically proven.
Rayanne
It is interesting that Rayanne stands up for Angela with Jordan and leaves Rickie to face Mr. Katimsky alone. I love how Rayanne grabs Jordan's pool stick at Pike Street. It is such a sudden and forceful movement. This declaratory action can be contrasted with her ditching Rickie three times when he runs into Mr. Katimsky. I believe that Rayanne feels more comfortable standing up to her peers than adults. Also, she probably gets the sense from Rickie, despite his protests, that Mr. Katimsky is interested in helping Rickie. Additionally, Rayanne probably understands that joining the drama club will be a good thing for Rickie. Joining the drama club will give something to Rickie that Rayanne and his other friends cannot. TomSpeed
Patty: If Rayanne's not seeing you, and we're not seeing you, who is seeing you? Graham: And how much of you? Angela: Dad! Graham: Oh, I'm sorry! I asked a question about your life, didn't I? Woah, what came over me? http://www.last.fm/user/TomSpeed/
The entire series is filled with teachers not using customary discretion when talking about students. Teachers generally do not make negative comments about students in front of other students and/or parents. I guess the writers of MSCL wanted to make things more dramatic by having teachers say almost anything aloud. The subject of posting grades is an interesting one. Generally, grades are not distributed publicly. However, some teachers, esp. those who teach college prep. classes, do post grades. A few of my teachers in high school posted grades for each test outside of their classroom doors. Teachers in my high school were on a tenure track similar to colleges. A teacher could do almost anything he wanted once he got tenure. Of course, enrolling in these courses was voluntary. TomSpeed
Patty: If Rayanne's not seeing you, and we're not seeing you, who is seeing you? Graham: And how much of you? Angela: Dad! Graham: Oh, I'm sorry! I asked a question about your life, didn't I? Woah, what came over me? http://www.last.fm/user/TomSpeed/
No. I think she just thought that she had bombed in her efforts to make enticing/entertaining/flattering small talk. She sounded like Angela. Some things we don't outgrow. TomSpeed
Patty: If Rayanne's not seeing you, and we're not seeing you, who is seeing you? Graham: And how much of you? Angela: Dad! Graham: Oh, I'm sorry! I asked a question about your life, didn't I? Woah, what came over me? http://www.last.fm/user/TomSpeed/
It looks like breath spray or drops, like Binaca. You must have fresh and clean breath for the boiler room. The spray is concentrated and has a strong taste, but it is powerful. It is also quicker acting than mints. Jordan, who is man about town, probably doesn't leave home without it. TomSpeed
Patty: If Rayanne's not seeing you, and we're not seeing you, who is seeing you? Graham: And how much of you? Angela: Dad! Graham: Oh, I'm sorry! I asked a question about your life, didn't I? Woah, what came over me? http://www.last.fm/user/TomSpeed/ I agree. I always thought that it was Binaca. "I have all these dreams where I know exactly what to say. And you tell me, you know, that you forgive me."
I like the fact that the Chases have 60 Minutes playing on TV. We always watched the show when I was growing up. It was part of the Sunday night ritual, just like going to Church and reading the paper was part of the Sunday morning ritual. Regularity is important. It provides comfort. Of course, if you have put off doing things, the 60 Minutes watch can be annoying and depressing. You don't usually hear a clock ticking anymore. Most timepieces are digital now. It's so hilarious when Angela asks Brian if he can explain geometry to her despite her thoughtlessness. The look on her face is so expectant. Brian's explosion about all of the pressure he is under is sudden and somehow reassuring. Brian's not a robot. He feels pressure to excel like anyone else. He also doubts his ability to achieve what people expect of him. He also refuses to help Angela with something. This act is kind of refreshing as well. Finally, I think since Stephan Dieter didn't show for the first class, a Sunday class was added to the schedule to make up for it. Or, the class might normally meet on Sundays. I agree that having a class meet on Sunday might be unusual because Sunday evenings are usually considered family time. TomSpeed
Patty: If Rayanne's not seeing you, and we're not seeing you, who is seeing you? Graham: And how much of you? Angela: Dad! Graham: Oh, I'm sorry! I asked a question about your life, didn't I? Woah, what came over me? http://www.last.fm/user/TomSpeed/
Actually, Hallie had them reschedule the first class for Friday night. As I said earlier, the first class was not held on Sunday night because Angela comes home from school while Graham is studying for tomorrow night's first cooking class. Natasha aka candygirl :: MSCL.com
Look, if this is weird for you, being tutored? I don't mind helping you a little longer. You could have sex with me if you really want to help...I guess that's a "no"?
I got the impression that these were different days. The first class is during the week. There is a second class. Then the Sunday class occurs. I'll have to rewatch the episode again to nail the timeline down. TomSpeed
Patty: If Rayanne's not seeing you, and we're not seeing you, who is seeing you? Graham: And how much of you? Angela: Dad! Graham: Oh, I'm sorry! I asked a question about your life, didn't I? Woah, what came over me? http://www.last.fm/user/TomSpeed/
Graham's first class takes place the day after the episode begins - an undisclosed weeknight -and Stephen doesn't show up for class. Hallie makes a big stink and has them reschedule a makeup class on Friday night (when Hallie calls Stephen Dieter "Rush Limbaugh"). The third class, on Sunday night, is when Stephen fails to show up again (he's in Idaho getting deglazed) and they end up asking Graham to teach the class instead. Natasha aka candygirl :: MSCL.com
Look, if this is weird for you, being tutored? I don't mind helping you a little longer. You could have sex with me if you really want to help...I guess that's a "no"?
I probably misunderstood what you meant then. Did you mean it was strange that the class was on Sunday night? That's what I thought. I agreed that having class on a Sunday night is strange. We don't really know if the class meets once or twice a week. Usually, these community ed classes meet more than once a week. TomSpeed
Patty: If Rayanne's not seeing you, and we're not seeing you, who is seeing you? Graham: And how much of you? Angela: Dad! Graham: Oh, I'm sorry! I asked a question about your life, didn't I? Woah, what came over me? http://www.last.fm/user/TomSpeed/
Sorry that previous post came out a little confusing - I guess I was thinking faster than my fingers were typing!
I was trying to that it's really unusual to have a Sunday night class, especially since the first class wasn't on a Sunday night. A lot of the adult ed classes here are once a week (especially classes that require more time like cooking) - usually the classes that are twice a week are shorter classes that only require one hour each night. They have some wacky class schedules in Angela's neighborhood! ![]() Natasha aka candygirl :: MSCL.com
Look, if this is weird for you, being tutored? I don't mind helping you a little longer. You could have sex with me if you really want to help...I guess that's a "no"?
I get the imression that Abysinnia hasn't always been a stellar student. She probably was a poorly performing student who forced herself to make good grades. Maybe she had a bad home life or had other personal problems. She probably cut many classes in junior high. She's always been book smart, but probably wasn't smart in other ways. Of course, now she looks at what she's done to overcome things and she wonders if working hard is all that it is cracked up to be. If she's too smart, her boy friend might not like her. She doesn't like herself because she views herself the way others might see her. She realizes later in the episode that it's how she views herself that is important. TomSpeed
Patty: If Rayanne's not seeing you, and we're not seeing you, who is seeing you? Graham: And how much of you? Angela: Dad! Graham: Oh, I'm sorry! I asked a question about your life, didn't I? Woah, what came over me? http://www.last.fm/user/TomSpeed/ This will be my last post on an episode for today, to space apart my many new thoughts.
![]() Thoughts on "Self-Esteem": Rickie says “they’re like this couple now” about Angela and Jordan to Rayanne, to which she replies “we’ll see”. Is this implying that she’s jealous of Angela's relationship? Maybe because Angela and Jordan’s relationship is just not about sex, it’s deeper than that. Rayanne is sad because she hasn’t found the right person yet (which she confesses to Sharon). Jordan doesn’t want Angela colliding with his other life (his musical life?). They are two separate things and he doesn’t want people to know about her. He doesn't want people knowing that he has a sensitive side, that is not all about being tough and cool around his friends - that he does in fact, have emotions, even if he doesn’t always show them to Angela herself. Angela says to Rayanne and Sharon “just because he’s not Kyle and doesn’t parade with me down the halls, holding hands”, about Jordan, which is what exactly happens. It’s more romantic that she expected, as it’s actually happening to her. Also, Rayanne quickly adds to Angela’s statement “what is holding hands?” showing that she doesn’t really have room for romantic things. She has casual sex and doesn’t have romantic relationships. If she did have a long-term boyfriend in the future, maybe she would be able to handle her drinking problem, or give up completely, and Rickie wouldn’t have to worry about her as much. Rayanne tries to help out Angela by talking to Jordan, so she does actually realise that there’s something special between them. She’s not as self-absorbed as some may think. She does care deeply for her friends. Is it just me, or did Sharon ruin the most romantic scene of MSCL (partly aided by the cool Buffalo Tom music), by shouting to Angela about her geometry review? Funny scene: Rickie ranting to Brian about Mr Katimsky. We think that they’re not even listening to each other, just getting out all their feelings of anger, but they actually are. ![]() *~Emerald~* "Hello, you've reached the winter of our discontent."
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