Meandering Political discussion thread-you've been warned.
Posted: Apr 8th 2003, 5:39 pm
This is a continuation of what was started here:
http://www.mscl.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2347
So what is the explaination for the vast differences in gun related deaths between our country and others with stricter laws?
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Just so you know, I agree that Saddam should be taken out. I believe that if it was handled with a bit more care, our administration wouldn't have alienated as many countries and people as it has. I understand that its not "for the oil". Its a very complex thing. Its not just for 9/11 or the WMD either.
As to your points about the ricin and chemical weapons. I heard that the first tests were positive. But so were others before that. I know I won't take them as fact before further tests are done.
Ok, I'm done for now. I'll agree with you here:
I don't wish to cause a flame war. I respect your opinion. I think we all agree that no opinions will be changed just by reading messages on a message board, but it is interesting hearing other viewpoints. I think opinions can be stated without taking things personally. So post away!
http://www.mscl.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2347
How is this different than cars then? People have to have plates on their cars, so the owners can be known. If proper legislation is made to ensure that firearms not involved in crimes won't be confiscated, I don't see the problem in being able to track a gun to a owner. Granted, I'm not sure of how it works now, but it seems to me like common sense to be able to know who owns a gun.The primary reason for this is that it sets up the government as a registration authority and every time that has happened it has been later used to confiscate the firearms.
So by that logic, drugs should be legalized, right?Secondly and more important is that by definition criminals do not obey laws. So creating more laws for them to disobey is pointless. What happens is that you turn an otherwise law abiding citizen into a criminal.
So what is the explaination for the vast differences in gun related deaths between our country and others with stricter laws?
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So our missles and WMD are offensive in nature. I get that. We just hold other countries to a different standard than ours.First off no one said Iraq could not have defensive weapons. The Missles and WMD's are not defensive in nature.
So countries can own WMD and missles, as long as they aren't going to use them.The logic you use makes the assumtion that the US has executed 12.5% of its population in the pass 30 years as well as invaded a near by country with the soul goal of control.
Just so you know, I agree that Saddam should be taken out. I believe that if it was handled with a bit more care, our administration wouldn't have alienated as many countries and people as it has. I understand that its not "for the oil". Its a very complex thing. Its not just for 9/11 or the WMD either.
As to your points about the ricin and chemical weapons. I heard that the first tests were positive. But so were others before that. I know I won't take them as fact before further tests are done.
I think we've always been justified. But don't lie to our faces and make excuses...christ...how many times has Bush envoked 9/11 when justifying our attack on Iraq? Just tell us the real reasons, and get it over with...don't play us...Thus justifing the liberation and forcible removal of the Baath Party.
Ok, I'm done for now. I'll agree with you here:
I don't wish to cause a flame war. I respect your opinion. I think we all agree that no opinions will be changed just by reading messages on a message board, but it is interesting hearing other viewpoints. I think opinions can be stated without taking things personally. So post away!