Posted: May 30th 2003, 9:58 am
Thanks to TWoP, I have this question: What is a double ring wedding ceremony? Angela recounts the four, no...three times she's been kissed. One kiss occurred during a double ring ceremony.
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I never really thought of this scenario: Sharon has the hots for Brian. Well, I guess it could be true, esp. since this episode is pre-Kyle. HMMM. I wonder if Brian ever had a crush on Sharon. Could Sharon turn him easily from Angela at this time?The slats in the banister morph into fence posts outside; Brian is rollerblading through the neighbourhood. He brakes and crankily greets Sharon, leaning against her mother's car, and informs her, "So, by the way, Chase is coming over tomorrow night to, you know, compile data." Is that what the kids are calling it nowadays? Sharon asks, "So?" Brian spits, "So...she's coming over! So...to help me! So that obviously proves that --" "What?" Sharon asks. "That you were obviously wrong about the whole situation." Sharon gives him a second-degree whatever face as she says, "Right. I was wrong, Krakow. Just keep telling yourself that." He blades off desultorily. Sharon preens in the sunlight. Sharon, if you're this jealous of Brian's crush on Angela, I think he could turn it to you pretty quickly if you'd stop being such a bitter beeyatch.
Well this show does have a lot of goofs, so maybe it has nothing to do with your drinking.Paulie 891 wrote:Did anyone else notice in that dance scene, how Patty's skirt is changing?One minute it's a red skirt with white circles and the next it's just plain red?
Hmm, maybe I had too much to drink while watching this.
I totally feel this way. In fact this is the way I am with love. It's more about the idea of the person than the actual person!Plus, her whole speech about possibly wanting the fantasy more than the real Jordan. I thought only I was weird that way!!!
YES! This was a genius line.-I also like her line about "coming up with a combination 'you' right on the spot." It's something I never thought about before, but I totally agreed with when I first heard her say it.
This line wasn't at all odd to me. It was funny and adorable. She was basically so amazed to be alive and existing in that moment. That's what she means by "The fact that I still had an elbow" she was so thankful to be in her body at that moment so that her elbow could be touching his.What was with that line about, "the fact that I still had an elbow" about, anyway? That was odd.
Neil is so cute! I love how he is truly "concerned"Speaking of that, I always laugh at the scene where Neil is telling him not to have the affair. "Don't do it," he says simply. And he's all concerned about where he'll go for holidays.
My impression is that Graham was a bit thrown off by his discussion outside with Neil. Being told his marriage was the "happy" when he isn't at all happy and is, in fact, feeling guilty about an impending affair made him reconsider the ballroom dancing. I think, for him, it's like his last grasp at saving his relationship with Patti, but he still doesn't want to do it. He seems to have an attitude about it because... well, like Neil said, "[He's] already acting weird."Graham's reaction to ballroom dancing- after the initial mocking, he agrees to go. But the way he says it to Patty makes it clear he's not entirely happy about it. Why does he do this? Is it to make clear that he is putting himself out about it? To make her feel like he's only doing it to placate her? I was always a bit confused about that.
I thought Graham's expression after Neil's remark is because he was expecting something more meaningful. Like a whole speech on why he should stick to his sense of moral decency and family responsibility by not cheating, yet his brother only offers the simple, "Don't do it." And really, when you think about it, that's all that should be said. Graham already knows why he shouldn't do it so it's not as if anything his brother could say would help his decision in any way.Megs wrote:Why does Graham speak so openly about his discretions to Neil in his kitchen? This always surprised/shocked me. Patty, or Danielle, or Angela could walk in at any minute, or overhear the conversation... You would think he would be a bit more careful. That also bothered me about The Pilot. He is talking to this woman not a block away from the home he shares with his wife and children.
Also Graham says, "We haven't really done anything other than talk." The "really" part throws me off. Did they do something else, like kiss?
Graham tells Neil to talk him out of it, but when Neil right away says "Don't do it", Graham gives him a look like he was not expecting Neil to talk him out of it. Then why ask? If Graham knows it's wrong, why does he need his younger, unmarried brother to talk him out of it? It seems like he was expecting Neil to tell him to cheat. Why does he need Neil's approval to go ahead and meet the girl at the hotel?
That's another thing that bothers me about this scene. Why does he refer to the woman he is "talking to" as a "girl"? ("I met this girl.") For God's sake, he's 40. She has to be in her late 20s or early 30s, right? Isn't that a woman? What does that say about how Graham perceives women?
Also, Graham assures Neil that no one is getting a divorce. Doesn't he think his infidelity is a cause for divorce? Does he just think that Patty will never find out?
Yes, the whole Graham-being-a-cheater thing bothers me a bit.
I liked Cami's interpretation, the idea that Angela was happy to be there in the moment to enjoy Jordan's sleeve touching her elbow, but I have always understood that line in a different sense. I hear that line in the context of the unexpected and somewhat aggressive kisses that had just occurred. Having to have just pushed Jordan off, straighten out her skirt, and readjust her jaw after having her mouth forced open wider than at the dentist, Angela considers that things could have gone much worse -- that the scene in the car may have progressed into an attack. Angela recently witnessed outside Lets Bolt how quickly things can escalate, and at this point she still doesn't know Jordan, and therefore we find her reflecting that she's lucky to be sitting there in that quiet moment, hoping for a kiss (or 'anything') after what had just transpired.majesty wrote:What was with that line about, "the fact that I still had an elbow" about, anyway? That was odd. But I love that he opened the door right when she was ready to kiss him.
TomSpeed wrote:Thanks to TWoP, I have this question: What is a double ring wedding ceremony?
This line always stands out to me -- I don't get why the writers included this. It does give a good rhythm to Angela's line, but in all my life I have never heard any real person talk about a wedding in this way. I think I remember a scene in an L.M. Montgomery book (author of Anne of Green Gables) and a moment in Dr. Quinn in which the grooms are unhappy to be asked to wear a wedding ring, but I'm assuming that since the late 19th century most weddings have been double ring ceremonies. The logic of this line troubles me more than the sweater and basement goofs combined. I know guys who have had their wedding rings tattooed on beneath their real rings, and a friend who carved his own ring out of wood, but I don't know anyone who has gotten married without a ring for the groom.Nothingman wrote:As I understand it. A double ring ceremony involves each person slipping the ring onto the other person's finger when doing their vowes. A single ring ceremony is when only the bride has the ring placed on her finger. I think Angela mentions it because it's one of those little wedding things girls pay attention too.
I totally had a dress just like that in high school because of this episode, and don't doubt that I rocked it with my eight-hole brown Docs! I wouldn't wear it now, but I thought it was cute, and was definitely trying to emulate her look.majesty wrote:I also really thought the dress Angela was wearing was an odd fashion choice. It doesn't really suit her, IMHO, like it was something she would wear in her pre-Rayanne/Crimson Glow days (like the early outfits in the pilot). Looks like something Sharon would wear.