MSCL.com

Taken from http://www.mscl.com/mall/dvdbox.phtml -

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With support from former BMG employee Jason Rosenfeld, we tried to convince BMG to release all episodes MSCL on DVD. A so-called pre-pre-order list was created in August 2001 and again, more than 4200 fans supported our efforts by subscribing to this list. But BMG hesitated and in late 2001, Jason Rosenfeld lost his job at BMG.

In early 2002, thanks to the ongoing efforts of Jason Rosenfeld, a new distributer for the DVD box was found: AnotherUniverse.com, a CMI Holding company. They negotiated with BMG to make a limited edition DVD box set available to the fans.

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So let me get this straight - if AnotherUniverse hadn't negotiated with BMG the MSCL DVD box set would not exsist?

hmmmm....

credit where credit is due to Jason but let's not forget credit to AnotherUniverse for negotiating with BMG to get this set available. If AnotherUniverse had not taken this on this set might not exist.

At least that is how it appears given the above quote from MSCL.com.

Hmmmm...Credit where credit is due. So let's get this straight. If AU hadn't stolen our money, we would have the DVDs by now. I would prefer 4,000 people not getting ripped off rather than see this set sold by Amazon and other retailers.

Cate wrote:[...] a new distributer for the DVD box was found: AnotherUniverse.com, a CMI Holding company. They negotiated with BMG to make a limited edition DVD box set available to the fans.

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So let me get this straight - if AnotherUniverse hadn't negotiated with BMG the MSCL DVD box set would not exsist?

hmmmm....

credit where credit is due to Jason but let's not forget credit to AnotherUniverse for negotiating with BMG to get this set available. If AnotherUniverse had not taken this on this set might not exist.

At least that is how it appears given the above quote from MSCL.com.

Uhm, to me this just means that BMG needed a company--any company, apparently--to negotiate with then rather than one of their (ex-) employees.

I know nothing about these negotiations, but I'd be surprised if given a similar financing model for the discs, the deal with another company would have ended much differently. (Now, the actual production and distribution of the discs might have looked mighty different, but I digress.)

Oliver,
who cancelled his and his friend's pre-order (first-run lunchbox and all) yesterday.

Sameritech wrote:Hmmmm...Credit where credit is due. So let's get this straight. If AU hadn't stolen our money, we would have the DVDs by now. I would prefer 4,000 people not getting ripped off rather than see this set sold by Amazon and other retailers.

Well said Sameritech... even if the refunds do appear, we still gave anotheruniverse a 7 month interest free loan.

A lot of this has got me thinking.

If AU does not deliver, I don't want to pursue further payments for what they owe my company. It would be ill-gotten money. Instead, I want to see this go into a sort of make-good fund for people who cannot successfully cancel their card orders.

I'm not letting AU off the hook for the money. To do so would be to reward them for the way they have bungled this project. However, in a doomsday scenario, I would like to have the balance due to my company returned to the customers.

Jason Rosenfeld wrote: If AU does not deliver, I don't want to pursue further payments for what they owe my company. It would be ill-gotten money.

while that is noble: you need to get paid too. When I ordered the set I expected you to get some money. At least that should happen [/list]

Jason Rosenfeld wrote:If AU does not deliver, I don't want to pursue further payments for what they owe my company. It would be ill-gotten money. Instead, I want to see this go into a sort of make-good fund for people who cannot successfully cancel their card orders.

I wouldn't call it "ill-gotten money" Jason, I'd call it well deserved. I doubt there are many people here, who have seen all the effort you've put forth for us, from even making the DVDs possible, to handling the complaints about AU, who would want to take *your* money. You deserve to be paid just as much as we deserve our refunds.

And AU deserves to be liable for paying back both. If AU is unable to deliver on the DVDs, refuses to refund a cancellation, or an overcharge, there is legal recourse with the credit card or bank. Even in the event AU goes bankrupt, the CC or bank become AU's unpaid creditors, NOT us. We get our money back provided we can prove there was a breach of the merchant/customer contract. I think this MB alone has plenty of proof.

While it's noble of you to offer to act as an unpaid creditor on our behalf, that's what the credit cards companies and banks are for.